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Upravo sada, Desmo je napisao:

Ne znam da li ima neke veze ali ne mogu da se otmem utisku da iza svega toga stoji smrdljivi VW

Tačnije Golf dvojka! :)

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20 hours ago, Nemanja Petrovic said:

Banjaja ima veliku prednost zbog poena i 7 vozaca koji ga cuvaju.

Pazi šta pričaš, počeće poklopci da lete. 

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Pre 6 sati, Desmo je napisao:

Ne znam da li ima neke veze ali ne mogu da se otmem utisku da iza svega toga stoji smrdljivi VW

Da li VW ili Audi, svakao pare porodice Piëch

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6 hours ago, Shortshifter said:

Pa dobro, za MotoGP im trebalo samo 20 godina da dominiraju, WSBK i pravila koja se tamo postavljaju i sprovode su onako... upitna.

znaci zadnjih 30 godina se sbk kroji za dukati ? ? ? 13 titula od 1988 znaci pravila su krojena za njih ? 

 

A sto se tice VW kad je u WSBK dominirao dukati nije stojao VW iza njih ....  

 

Honda je imala pola grida jos u gp500 , cak je i proton KR donekle honda ....  u ostalom sve je to biznis ako ulozis mnogo ocekujes duplo da se vrati .... 

 

Nadam se da MM nece nikad otici u Dukati jer ako on ode tamo .... to je kraj za moto gp niko nece videti vise titulu,  a ni pobedu

 

 

 

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Pre 9 sati, Djeneral je napisao:

E sad, zapelo se dosta za nadmoc dukatija. Ali realno ovo nije ni blizu neceg novog. Dominacija odredjenih marki postoji od kad postoje i trke, samo su se periodi necije dominacije menjali.

A sada kad je i pamcenje krace, ispada da je ovo nesto novo i neverovatno.

Ne bih pre 82. A od tada na ovamo bilo je godina kada je jedna marka dominirala. Doduse samo je Honda u pitanju. 96, 97, 98, prvih 4-5 u sampionatu su njeni  vozaci. 

Tada je prva violina imala najbolju spravu, prva dobijlala unapredjenja i sl.

Pricalo se pocetkom 80-ih da Spenserova Honda ima 140 ks a Haslamova na primer oko 120.

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5 minutes ago, Fredi said:

Ne bih pre 82. A od tada na ovamo bilo je godina kada je jedna marka dominirala. Doduse samo je Honda u pitanju. 96, 97, 98, prvih 4-5 u sampionatu su njeni  vozaci. 

Tada je prva violina imala najbolju spravu, prva dobijlala unapredjenja i sl.

Pricalo se pocetkom 80-ih da Spenserova Honda ima 140 ks a Haslamova na primer oko 120.

Hvala kolega .... kad se od 1985 godine do danas saberu sve sezone GP500 i MGP mislim da je Honda najtrofejniji motocikl i u dosta sezona je Honda ta koja je ima 5+ vozaca tokom jedne sezone pogotovo u 2T 

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Pa....sad...jbga i nije baš tako.

 

Na primer, MV Agusta je apsolutno dominirala GP šampionatom. Kao dokaz tome stoji činjenica da je od 1956. do 1974. tj u periodu ukupno 19 godina, MV Agusta uzela 18 titula prvaka sveta u klasi 500ccm (osim toga, uzeli su titule i u nižim klasama)

 

Onda su se pojavile Yamahe sa par titula, Suzuki i Honde. Osamdesetih je bilo šareno i nije bilo nečije posebne dominacije. Devedesetih za Rejnija ne može da se kaže da je dominirao jer je titule uzimao konstantnošću i odličnim vožnjama (ali ipak je uzeo tri titule za redom), pa Suzuki jednu titulu i onda itekako jeste usledila dominacija Honde.

 

Doohan je uzeo 5 titula za redom i to izuzetno dominantno. 1995 u prvih 8 je bilo 6 Hondi....96. do 98. prvih 5 je bilo 5 Hondi. Čak je i Krivilje uzeo titulu dominantno 1999.

 

Dalje je poznato pa da ne piskaram bezveze, ali mislim da je jasno da su itekako postojali periodi dominacija i ranije.

 

 

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Pre 3 sati, BRACO je napisao:

Prdko Brnjaja je sve sam steko

I sve sto sam steko

pomogo mi neko

 

Zarco se iza mene krio 

da bi ja prvi bio

Jadni Quartararo radio je kao mrav

Moze samo da ga spasi iz mog motora, kvar

Hej Ducati, hej

 

Timske kolege radite za mene

ima vas puno za mene nema znoja

Sto sam mogo sam, neka iz Ducatija cene

Jer zelim da titula bude moja

Hej Ducati, hej

 

 

 

P.S volim trecu smenu

 

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@Djeneral slažem se u potpunosti samo bih dodao sitnu primedbu (od "primetiti") da tu svoju  nadmoćnost u natrag nekoliko godina Ducati nije uspeo da prevede u titulu zbog šašavih poteza u kadriranju. Realno je trebalo da uzmu obe korona sezone (uz MM-ov belaj) sa ovom koju će najverovatnije da uzmu. Dok se njihovi dvolevonošci opasulje, proći će i Ducati era.

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Pre 10 sati, Milky je napisao:

znaci zadnjih 30 godina se sbk kroji za dukati ? ? ? 13 titula od 1988 znaci pravila su krojena za njih ? 

 

A sto se tice VW kad je u WSBK dominirao dukati nije stojao VW iza njih ....  

SBK je bio krajnje tolerantan u pravilima ne bi li ih učinio konkurentnim. Kada su to postali, dalje su i sami znali kako treba raditi.

 

A što se VW komentara tiče, ni ja ne mislim da je presudno što oni stoje iza Ducatija. Ali svakako ne smeta. Ne može se porediti SBK kada je Ducati bio dominantan ni sa današnjim SBK-om, a kamo li sa današnjim MotoGP-em.

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On 10/18/2022 at 12:33 PM, MOTOM said:

 

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Prognoza se i dalje nije promenila... Izgleda da ce padati kisa...

U tom slucaju 20 nema nikakve sanse. Uzasan je po kisi.

A ja rezervisao Valensiju da gledam borbu za titulu :tuzno:

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Pre 13 sati, Djeneral je napisao:

Doohan je uzeo 5 titula za redom i to izuzetno dominantno. 1995 u prvih 8 je bilo 6 Hondi....96. do 98. prvih 5 je bilo 5 Hondi. Čak je i Krivilje uzeo titulu dominantno 1999.

Ne bi on uzeo te titule da mu ostale Honde nisu čuvale leđa. Da Doohan danas vozi, to bi sigurno neko napisao.  U prevodu i Banjajinu titulu (ako je uzme) će jednog dana narod pozlatiti.

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Ma rano je još za pouzdanu vremensku prognozu. S tim što jedino kiša može da spasi Quartarara, on tek po suvom nema šanse. Ovako bar može da se nada da će Espargaro i Bagnaia da omlate.

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Pre sat vremena, rastkojokic je napisao:


A ja rezervisao Valensiju da gledam borbu za titulu :tuzno:

Jao, kako mi te žao... Mrš!

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pre 54 minuta, Jovan Ristic je napisao:

Ne bi on uzeo te titule da mu ostale Honde nisu čuvale leđa. Da Doohan danas vozi, to bi sigurno neko napisao.  U prevodu i Banjajinu titulu (ako je uzme) će jednog dana narod pozlatiti.

Ako su ljudi zaboravili i prihvatili onu titulu koju je Capirosi svojevremeno "uzeo" u 250cc....onda je jasno da ce i svaku drugu titulu podjednako gledati za koju godinu. Meni se stomak prevrne samo kad ga neko imenom spomene, a on je avanzovao pa je danas i neko mudo.

S druge strane, verujem da se svaki od njih koji uzme titulu bas zivo potrese sto neko misli da ju je osvojio zasluzeno il ne zasluzeno.

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1 hour ago, Shortshifter said:

Ma rano je još za pouzdanu vremensku prognozu. S tim što jedino kiša može da spasi Quartarara, on tek po suvom nema šanse. Ovako bar može da se nada da će Espargaro i Bagnaia da omlate.

Iz tvojih usta u nebeske uši!!!

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pre 11 minuta, Djeneral je napisao:

Ako su ljudi zaboravili i prihvatili onu titulu koju je Capirosi svojevremeno "uzeo" u 250cc....onda je jasno da ce i svaku drugu titulu

Oni koji su upoznati sa istorijom sigurno nisu zaboravili. Oni koji pročitaju broj titula koje je Capirosi osvojio, znaju samo toliko, broj i da je trenutno neko "mudo" i to je to.

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Kaže da je u pravu.

 

The race for the 1998 250 title was a three-way, in-house battle between Aprilia factory riders Loris Capirossi and Tetsuya Harada, with rookie Valentino Rossi looming like the future. Then came the most talked-about last-corner controversy ever.

The final race of season, on 25 October 1998, Buenos Aires, the 250 title came down to a winner-takes-all duel between the old-timers. Harada was ahead of Capirossi into the final corner, then the Italian knocked off his rival and took the title, while Rossi won the race. But was it deliberate?

Carlo Pernat: ‘1998 was the first time we had three different factory 250 teams at Aprilia. With Harada, Capirossi and Rossi we decided to make three different official teams because we had three riders with completely different minds. Imagine if we put all three in the same team;

 

Loris Capirossi: ‘It’s almost 20 years since that race. We have accidents all the time and yet everyone still talks about 1998. It pisses me off!’ 

Pernat: ‘Harada’s team, Rossi’s team and Capirossi’s team all thought that the others were getting better parts, but Jan Witteveen [Aprilia’s chief engineer] made sure all three had exactly the same.’

Capirossi: ‘When we arrived in Argentina I was leading Tetsuya by four points, so if he won the race and I was second, he would win the title. I got pole and in the race we were together. On the last lap I was in front, but I made a little mistake on a bump and went wide, so Valentino took the lead and Tetsuya was right on my back wheel. I didn’t want him there, so I let him overtake, because I knew I was faster in the final part of the lap.’

Pernat: ‘Harada was still ahead, with only one corner to go. What happened next wasn’t the fault of Capirossi. The mistake was made by Harada because when you are fighting for a title you don’t leave a space and go slow at the last corner, because if there’s another rider who wants to win the title he will try to overtake.’

Capirossi: ‘At the last corner it looked like Tetsuya was slower than normal and I saw a space on the inside, so I tried to overtake and we made contact. It was a racing incident – it was the last lap and we were fighting for a championship. This is racing!’ 

Pernat: ‘For sure, Loris didn’t make a normal entrance to the last corner. If Harada hadn’t been there to stop him, I think he would’ve ended up in the gravel! Anyway, Harada left a space, Loris went inside, they touched and Harada crashed. I won’t say that what Loris did was correct, because correct is too much, but it was a typical thing to do in a title battle.’

Capirossi: ‘The FIM took away my points, but I was still champion. Of course, I appealed. We went to court in Geneva, where they looked at our telemetry, which showed that my speed was the same as the lap before. So they gave me my points back.’

Pernat: ‘Loris had a three-year deal with Aprilia but they broke Loris’s contract and didn’t give him a ride for 1999. Loris went to court and won. Aprilia were told to pay him a penalty of two million Euros, so Loris bought a Ferrari with some of the money and put ‘Aprilia’ on the reg plate!’

Capirossi: ‘The incident was old-style racing. Tetsuya and I still live in Monaco and he’s one of my best friends. We see each other a lot – we go out to lunch, he comes to my house, I go to his house. We never talk about what happened.’

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Kako je taj čovek dobio posao (čitaj ko ga je progurao) savetnika za bezbednost ni danas većini nije jasno.

 

 

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Pre sat vremena, MOTOM je napisao:

Kaže da je u pravu.

 

The race for the 1998 250 title was a three-way, in-house battle between Aprilia factory riders Loris Capirossi and Tetsuya Harada, with rookie Valentino Rossi looming like the future. Then came the most talked-about last-corner controversy ever.

The final race of season, on 25 October 1998, Buenos Aires, the 250 title came down to a winner-takes-all duel between the old-timers. Harada was ahead of Capirossi into the final corner, then the Italian knocked off his rival and took the title, while Rossi won the race. But was it deliberate?

Carlo Pernat: ‘1998 was the first time we had three different factory 250 teams at Aprilia. With Harada, Capirossi and Rossi we decided to make three different official teams because we had three riders with completely different minds. Imagine if we put all three in the same team;

 

Loris Capirossi: ‘It’s almost 20 years since that race. We have accidents all the time and yet everyone still talks about 1998. It pisses me off!’ 

Pernat: ‘Harada’s team, Rossi’s team and Capirossi’s team all thought that the others were getting better parts, but Jan Witteveen [Aprilia’s chief engineer] made sure all three had exactly the same.’

Capirossi: ‘When we arrived in Argentina I was leading Tetsuya by four points, so if he won the race and I was second, he would win the title. I got pole and in the race we were together. On the last lap I was in front, but I made a little mistake on a bump and went wide, so Valentino took the lead and Tetsuya was right on my back wheel. I didn’t want him there, so I let him overtake, because I knew I was faster in the final part of the lap.’

Pernat: ‘Harada was still ahead, with only one corner to go. What happened next wasn’t the fault of Capirossi. The mistake was made by Harada because when you are fighting for a title you don’t leave a space and go slow at the last corner, because if there’s another rider who wants to win the title he will try to overtake.’

Capirossi: ‘At the last corner it looked like Tetsuya was slower than normal and I saw a space on the inside, so I tried to overtake and we made contact. It was a racing incident – it was the last lap and we were fighting for a championship. This is racing!’ 

Pernat: ‘For sure, Loris didn’t make a normal entrance to the last corner. If Harada hadn’t been there to stop him, I think he would’ve ended up in the gravel! Anyway, Harada left a space, Loris went inside, they touched and Harada crashed. I won’t say that what Loris did was correct, because correct is too much, but it was a typical thing to do in a title battle.’

Capirossi: ‘The FIM took away my points, but I was still champion. Of course, I appealed. We went to court in Geneva, where they looked at our telemetry, which showed that my speed was the same as the lap before. So they gave me my points back.’

Pernat: ‘Loris had a three-year deal with Aprilia but they broke Loris’s contract and didn’t give him a ride for 1999. Loris went to court and won. Aprilia were told to pay him a penalty of two million Euros, so Loris bought a Ferrari with some of the money and put ‘Aprilia’ on the reg plate!’

Capirossi: ‘The incident was old-style racing. Tetsuya and I still live in Monaco and he’s one of my best friends. We see each other a lot – we go out to lunch, he comes to my house, I go to his house. We never talk about what happened.’

Old style racing....

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Nisam znao to što je @MOTOMobjavio.

 

To je slično kao što su Simončelija opljuvali za onaj incident sa Bautistom na Herezu. Na kraju se ispostavilo (Batutista je to sam rekao) da je baš u toj krivini Bautisti zaribao motor i Simončeli nije imao kud. Simončeli je rekao da kad je ustao, očekivao je da će ga Bautista udariti, jer ni on nije znao šta se dogodilo i zašto ga je pokupio. Međutim, Bautista prišao i rekao šta se dogodilo.

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Pre 18 sati, Milky je napisao:

znaci zadnjih 30 godina se sbk kroji za dukati ? ? ? 13 titula od 1988 znaci pravila su krojena za njih ? 

 

A sto se tice VW kad je u WSBK dominirao dukati nije stojao VW iza njih ....  

 

Honda je imala pola grida jos u gp500 , cak je i proton KR donekle honda ....  u ostalom sve je to biznis ako ulozis mnogo ocekujes duplo da se vrati .... 

 

Nadam se da MM nece nikad otici u Dukati jer ako on ode tamo .... to je kraj za moto gp niko nece videti vise titulu,  a ni pobedu

 

 

 

Ala glupas luposti ma zedalju

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