Interesantna promena , pogledat cu inace , nema brige , ima jos vise od pola godine dok , sa srecom , krenem na ovaj put ...

Video sam te serpentine ... malo mi je sa puta , plus koliko razumem zatvoreno je za saobracaj ... a i ako je otvoreno za saobracaj , izgleda da je dobrim delom makadam , ja i makadam se ne druzimo

Imas li nekih interesantnih tacaka , da probam i ja da jih uklopim ? Neki od ovih mojih ''points of interest'' su malo manje poznati , zato sam naveo vecinu , neke jos nisam upisao ...

Dan 10 Col de la Bonette Cime de la Bonette Col de Vars Col de la Platriere Col d’Izoard https://kurviger.de/en?point=Beuil%2C%2006470%2C%20France&point=44.086005%2C7.10043&point=44.360111%2C6.784637&point=44.449797%2C6.740735&point=44.599238%2C6.689901&point=44.667485%2C6.673079&point=44.830263%2C6.723289&point=44.894697%2C6.637223&locale=en&vehicle=motorcycle&weighting=curvature&additional_weighting=&elevation=true&layer=Omniscale Dan 11 Col du Mont Cenis Col de l’Iseran Col du Pt St Bernard https://kurviger.de/en?point=44.895271%2C6.636761&point=45.006898%2C6.823883&point=45.182022%2C6.991789&point=45.314676%2C6.993125&point=45.529659%2C6.914155&point=45.599566%2C6.869416&point=45.621467%2C6.801825&point=45.636637%2C6.849782&point=45.716503%2C6.948359&locale=en&vehicle=motorcycle&weighting=curvature&additional_weighting=&elevation=true&layer=Omniscale Dan 12 i 13 povratak .....

Dan 7 Col de la Forclaz Chamonix Mont Blanc Vodopad Cascade d'Arpenaz https://kurviger.de/en?point=46.593231%2C7.908413&point=46.670076%2C7.613997&point=46.484506%2C7.197719&point=46.318496%2C6.988077&point=46.080926%2C7.034039&point=45.942556%2C6.888943&point=45.975074%2C6.638596&point=45.917184%2C6.636171&point=45.676494%2C6.393335&locale=en&vehicle=motorcycle&weighting=curvaturefastest&additional_weighting=&elevation=true&layer=Omniscale Dan 8 Gorges du Guiers Vif Gorges du Nan Route de Presles Combe Laval Road Col de la Machine https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Albertville,+France/45.416554,5.8543478/Cognin-les-Gorges,+France/Malleval-en-Vercors,+France/Presles,+France/Metri%C3%A8re,+38680+Choranche,+France/Saint-Jean-en-Royans,+France/44.900699,5.371053/44.5571033,6.0707568/@44.7123307,5.8016561,8z/data=!4m41!4m40!1m5!1m1!1s0x478bc30913f57c6f:0x128d1550610e8157!2m2!1d6.392726!2d45.675535!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x478ac078704cdcd7:0x408ab2ae4be7bd0!2m2!1d5.41221!2d45.171487!1m5!1m1!1s0x478abfe11b3dce31:0x408ab2ae4be7650!2m2!1d5.437719!2d45.146687!1m5!1m1!1s0x478abdd9834abaf7:0x408ab2ae4be7000!2m2!1d5.383008!2d45.09149!1m5!1m1!1s0x478abc646b581713:0x2a7659e4044f26a1!2m2!1d5.3600602!2d45.0670143!1m5!1m1!1s0x478aa518e6d3dcbd:0x408ab2ae4bfb8f0!2m2!1d5.291575!2d45.016847!1m0!1m0!3e0?hl=en Dan 9 Gorges du Bachelard Col de la Cayolle The Gorges de Daluis Gorge du Cians Clue d’Aiglun Clue de Saint Auban https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Gap,+France/44.3840781,6.6436447/Gorges+du+Bachelard,+04400+Uvernet-Fours,+France/43.8800882,6.7788032/43.8433614,6.7385749/43.8441229,6.8541071/43.9409849,6.9303248/43.988801,6.9994185/44.0939812,6.9882605/@44.0745122,6.9934961,14z/data=!4m21!4m20!1m5!1m1!1s0x12cb3f78d8a213d5:0x40819a5fd97a760!2m2!1d6.079758!2d44.559638!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x12cc8eff55369e65:0x4793e04ed4bb0594!2m2!1d6.626382!2d44.320449!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m0!3e0?hl=en

Ko ima volje da pregleda , slobodno se posluzite sa idejama Ko ima predloge sta videti , kojim putem ici , hvala unapred ... Tura je za sad dosta spora , 200 km dnevno , verovatno cu jos da povecam , t.j smanjim dane za 1 ili 2 Takode zbog spavanja moguca su pomeranja pocetka i kraja dana , nisam jos stigao dotle da vidim gde ima nesto zgodno od smestaja .... Dan 1 put do Kranjske Gore Dan 2 Vrsic , Predel , Mangartsko sedlo nesto ovako https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Apartments+and+Rooms+Jozica,+Zgornje+Rute,+Slovenia/Ruska+Kapelica/Mangartsko+sedlo/46.3901199,13.4706045/46.4061092,12.8683015/46.4670984,12.4711455/46.3475941,12.3338447/46.0852426,12.3374015/@46.0368822,12.90824,9z/data=!4m30!4m29!1m5!1m1!1s0x477a7d716a5ecc57:0x539c3ae4acf900a1!2m2!1d13.832054!2d46.4841385!1m10!1m1!1s0x0:0x9f11b52a216c9f7b!2m2!1d13.7676979!2d46.4425916!3m4!1m2!1d13.6943348!2d46.3523416!3s0x477a61267316cd0d:0xd7027c09683926d5!1m5!1m1!1s0x0:0x80dfc1ef900b3f9e!2m2!1d13.6421482!2d46.4439136!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m0!3e0?hl=en Dan 3 Passo san Boldo Strada della Forra nesto ovako https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/46.0859292,12.3370117/Passo+San+Boldo,+San+Boldo,+Province+of+Treviso,+Italy/Strada+della+Forra+(Tremosine),+Tremosine,+Province+of+Brescia,+Italy/45.7824824,10.7235024/45.9863111,10.8285659/46.0722271,10.7161277/46.2114685,10.822311/@45.945295,10.8852892,11z/data=!4m24!4m23!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x47791ab8c1e5e297:0xd07f80044fbf0aa!2m2!1d12.1693915!2d46.0068401!1m5!1m1!1s0x47821f29765014b1:0x346b10335cec25f4!2m2!1d10.7621404!2d45.7721352!1m0!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d10.8256208!2d46.0527831!3s0x47826a71ca911b1f:0xb1b85aa19681d894!1m0!1m0!3e0?hl=en Dan 4 Passo del Tonale Passo di Gavia Passo del Foscagno Passo del Bernina Malojapass ovako https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Madonna+di+Campiglio,+Province+of+Trento,+Italy/Dimaro,+Province+of+Trento,+Italy/46.3008533,10.5098155/46.4491786,10.43848/46.4746756,10.2526351/46.5049312,10.1186319/46.4183595,10.008833/46.4398154,9.7680528/46.3779121,9.6607/@46.2218966,9.591306,10z/data=!4m21!4m20!1m5!1m1!1s0x47825c24ffd4c305:0x877b464e09d9120f!2m2!1d10.826401!2d46.2302584!1m5!1m1!1s0x4782f59f4bb4a6e9:0x1f5e37ecb5a6805!2m2!1d10.8746282!2d46.3256888!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m0!3e0?hl=en Dan 5 Splugenpass Passo del san bernandino https://kurviger.de/en?point=Bregaglia%2C%20Switzerland&point=Chiavenna&point=Nufenen&point=46.466345%2C9.187338&point=46.350734%2C8.962162&point=46.461866%2C8.826013&point=46.529661%2C8.603969&locale=en&vehicle=motorcycle&weighting=curvature&additional_weighting=&elevation=true&layer=Omniscale Dan 6 Passo del san Gottardo Devils bridge , Suvorov monument Furka pass Glecer reke Rone Grimselpass Kanjon reke Aare – Aareschlucht mozda Giessbachfälle, Brienz, Switzerland Lautenbrunen Trummelbach falls Staubbachfall Voz na Jungfraujoch nesto ovako https://kurviger.de/en?point=46.528878%2C8.609977&point=46.532945%2C8.567619&point=46.671011%2C8.592446&point=46.605958%2C8.523899&point=46.605641%2C8.312101&point=46.74289%2C8.073374&point=46.708368%2C7.964959&point=46.593132%2C7.908418&locale=en&vehicle=motorcycle&weighting=curvature&additional_weighting=&elevation=true&layer=Omniscale

Kolega e-mayl , kolega doktor Hvala vam na brzom odgovoru Tako sam i predpostavio da stoje stvari .... Nekoliko motora koje sam gledao dolaze sa navigaciom BMW V , a to je Garmin , a necu biti u mogucnosti da kupim motor pre kraja januara ... A ne bi da kupujem navigaciju ako je posle dobijem sa motorom .... Igrao sam se jos malo sa tim programom BaseCamp , dosta je komplikovan , ali naucicu do proleca , nadam se Sve je pocelo kad sam poceo da radim planove na Google maps , i da se ubijes nemozes da izvuces turu preko Splugen Passa , nema te sile .... valjda ce da dozvoli tamo negde Juna Sacekacu sa ozbiljnim pripremama dok ne kupim motor , nadam se sa navigacijom .. U meduvremenu sam nasao sajt Kurvinger.de , i kao sto mozete da vidite iz prilozenog https://kurviger.de/en?point=46.461985%2C9.34267&point=46.535838%2C9.326363&locale=de&vehicle=motorcycle&weighting=curvature&additional_weighting=&elevation=true&layer=Omniscale sa njim mozete da postavite rutu preko pomenutog prelaza .... Jos jednom hvala na odgovorima !

Pitanje .... Instalirao sam BaseCamp , i , jer jos nisam uzeo navigaciju , za vezbanje skinuo neke freesource mape , ali su podeljene po drzavama , pa tako kad ides sa prelaza na prelaz u Alpama na primer , ne mogu da spojim mape recimo Italije i Svajcarske .... Predpostavljam sa Garmin uredajem dolaze mape citave Evrope ? Poceo sam da pravim planove na Google maps , ali mi ne da preci prelazima , zatvoreni su Onda skinuo BaseCamp , opet nista od planiranja ..... Pozdrav svima !

Iz ovog ugla malko drugačije Gde je tačno ne znam ali znam da je na putu kad se ide od Ripnja ka Dorosavi, skoro prosao kad sam isao tim putem za AR. Послато са ALE-L21 уз помоћ Тапатока meni lici na ovu tacku .... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/44%C2%B023'57.8%22N+20%C2%B028'39.4%22E/@44.399392,20.4770618,194m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d44.399392!4d20.477609?hl=en

Pa ako budeš vozio kao Transalpinu, ne sumnjam da ćeš sve obići Inače na istom sajtu preporučuju i auto put Beograd - Novi Sad I meni se cini da taj sajt nije bas najbolji ... ima interesantnih puteva , ali mnogi su i bez veze , a neki nedostaju ... Ovi imaju alpe pokrivene fenomenalno , Grcka nije bas tako , ali mozda nades nesto https://www.routeyou.com/en-gr/location/motor/47477091/motorbiking-in-greece-overview-of-all-car-and-motorcycle-routes za razliku od Google mapa , ovi na Michelin mapama imaju zelene linije uz puteve koje smatraju scenic , t.j. lepa okolina , pogled itd.. https://www.viamichelin.co.uk/web/Maps a ovde imas nekih interesantnih puteva http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/greece.html kao na primer http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/greece/5130-aristi-papingo-road.html http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/greece/3375-kiparissi-road.html http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/greece/5821-langada-pass.html http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/greece/6478-leptokarya-karya-road.html http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/greece/6147-prousos-karpenisi-road.html evo ti neki od tih na Youtube

Izvuceno iz tog dokumenta During the first phase, the tire rotation is gradually reduced from free rolling to a locked state. During the second phase, the tire reduces its speed under locked state until a complete stop. In the two phases, the corresponding friction coefficient is first increased to the peak friction at the critical slip ratio and then decreases with the increase of the slip ratio. Valjda to resava sve tvoje dileme , ili ? a ima i ovo It was found that when the tire was at partial slip, the calculated friction forces are approximately the same when using the constant and the sliding-velocity-dependent friction models. However, different trends were observed as the tire was at full slip. For the constant friction coefficient model, the friction force remains constant as the slip ratio is greater than the critical slip ratio. On the other hand, the friction force decreases as the slip ratio increases when the sliding-velocity-dependent friction model is used. The development trend of friction force using the slide-velocity-dependent model is more consistent with the measured skid resistance during the tire braking process, as indicated in the Rado model. In addition, it was found that using the constant friction model could overestimate the maximum friction force at the critical slip ratio. This is particularly important for the vehicles with an anti-lock braking system (ABS) because the brakes are controlled on and off repeatedly such that the friction force is held near the peak.

Bocco http://www.evuonline.org/en/component/content/article/425 Vrsnja frikcija gume , pre proklizavanja , je veca od frikcije blokirane gume .... Mada se slazem sa Nemom , ova debata nema smisla , nismo mi fizicari ... Realno , ABS moze ( naglasak na moze ) da ti spasi zivot , a ne moras da ga imas , i plus toga teoretski mozes sam bolje da kocis od ABS-a pod kontrolisanim uslovima , ali to nije ni svrha ABS-a Nadam se da smo obradili temu ..... Mada znam da bocca jos nije ....

Evo jos nekih interesantnih mesta ....

znam za tu knjigu Nemo , ali je do sad nisam uspeo nabavit ...

Ovi predhodni su jos koliko toliko u redu , ali ove u Francuskoj jos rasporedjem , da se ne vozim u krugove , a da sto vise vidimo ... probam da uvrstim ove tacke u putovanje .... javljam kad finaliziram rutu ....

Poceo da se stvara plan , jos treba mnogo detalja , ali da podelim sa vama nekoliko klipova puteva koje probam da uklopim .... onda ovim putem samo do lokacije koju vidite iz ovog snimka na 2:20 pa natrag na pa onda mozda do detalji su jos u obradi , duga je zima .....

Jos jedan klip njega imam u memoriji jos odavno , ima nekih interesantnih , manje poznatih puteva ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10K8WOgxaKQ

Nemo hvala ! Evo vec par sati , od kad sam postavio ovu temu ubadam po mapi i sve mi se vise cini da ce da dode do 5-og nastavka ''Upoznavanja Francuske'' ... uz Italiju Imam ovaj web sajt , evo nekih linkova puteva koje probam da povezem u turicu , zna li neko za nesto slicno ? ili bolje za Francusku http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/france.html neki od puteva koje bi probao da ''uklopim'' http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/france/4467-balcony-roads-in-france.html http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/france/827-gorges-du-nan-france.html http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/france/311-clue-daiglun-france.html Cini mi se da za prelaze ima dosta informacija , sigurno cu probati da uklopim nekoliko , ali ovakvi kanjoni , intersantni putevi , tu vec nema toliko informacija Evo ga jos jedan put u Italiji koji bi rado provozao .... http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/italy/4669-strada-della-forra.html dobar clip te rute

Dobar sajt kolega , hvala !

Ako bi ipak vise odgovarao maj , mogao bi da izbegnem alpe , pa i Pireneje , valjda maja vise nema snega u Picos de Europa , ali mi se cini grehota voziti silne autoputeve dotle ....

Gorski prelazi ili mountain passes , nasao sam nekoliko sajtova za razne drzave koji pokazuju momentalno stanje kao na primer ovaj za Svajcarsku https://www.alpen-paesse.ch/en/ ali mene interesuje kad se otvaraju na prolece ? Predpostavljam da je i vreme faktor , ali koji je datum kad su skoro 100 posto otvoreni ? Imao sam lose iskustvo jedne godine na Pirenejima , dosao do pola puta Col de Aubisque , ono zatvoreno , sneg ....bila je druga polovina maja ... Znam da sam poranio , nisam ni motor kupio , ali voleo bi da provedem zimu u planiranju ture ... Preliminarno ovako - Dolomiti , mozda prelaz ili dva prema Svajcarskoj , pa prema Francuskoj prelaz ili dva , do Pireneja pa do glavnog cilja Picos de Europa , pa produzetak do Porta .... Mislite li da je bolje da i ne razmisljam o maju , ili ? Svaka informacija dobrodosla !! P.S valjda sam trebao da stavim podnaslov Picos de Europa , svaka info zahvalan ...

Odlicno objasnjeno !!